In reply to Glenda. I was told by a stoic devout christian that the bible does not include people (humans) as part of the universe or any part of nature - p.s forget that we were sailing past one of the most magnificant sights in the South Pacific. I got this earful of come-me-down because of my "pagan" remark about mother nature. I then learnt we are the only living things created in this "god's" image therefore we are very lucky to be here. I thought god (pick any one - mainly a homophobic male) is failing miserably with humankind. I lean towards the big bang theory myself but I kept quiet hoping this freak of nature would shut up. I was then told we must spend our existance repenting for a sin we were all born with. Now us (humans) being seperate from nature, that is just stupid beyond belief. I never read the bible nor was I raised with gods so this sin was new to me. I guess I would rather feel part of all I see than living blind by biblical guilt. It's interesting the presence of homosexuality within herds seems to "take the focus away from violence". Maybe pent up testosterone smothered with self repression fuels great acts of violence. We also hear about male on male "rape" in war yet that is an act of domination. Interesting seperation. I think this research needs more study but it is certainly a step in the right direction in understanding ourselves as societal creatures. We are definately unique. As for the description of gay sex by Glenda....ummm, thats a bit pornographic for a god fearing mind. In some cultures, women are believed un-natural and evil and have to live seperately from everyone else while they menstruate. In other cultures such as the tribes in New Guinea, male on male sex is seen as part of masculinization. Young adolescent men have been taught how women can be dangerous to then and that they can even die from heterosexual intercourse -(procreation time must be a joyous occasion!) Maybe Glenda's god forgot about them...... oh wait, that's right, the missionaries brought god to Paradise (that's another story, another blog, another subject) I guess if human homosexuality is proven natural, people like Glenda and her religion, or men in power that use religion will lose this self given authority that gives them a sense of superiority and rightfulness over others. If this god given role was to be removed, what you would have left is a society of downgraded ignorant people living without purpose or significance - too dumbed down to believe they are infact relevant and have the knowledge to be protective of all that exists.  Animals don't have gods, we are just animals that somehow evolved to have imagination and what a gift that should be.